EMAILS - # 5 "Wasn't anybody listening???"

To: Friend 2
From:
Date: March 30, 2010
Subject: Re: FW: Wasn't anybody listening???

Yep -- but they would not have heard what the email says.

What's disturbing is that there's so much circulating around the net that's not so. There are plenty of actual issues we need to debate, without people somewhere starting these fabrications....

1) Part comes from a satire:
JOHN SEMMENS: Semi-News -- A Satirical Look at Recent News
Oct. 27, 2007
http://web.archive.org/web/20080801043405/http://azconservative.org/Semmens118.htm



2) The Washington Post didn't know of a Dale Lindsborg:
October 12, 2008
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/discussion/2008/10/12/DI2008101201556.html
Anonymous: I have received an e-mail ostensibly sent from Dale Lindsborg of the Washington Post. It refers to an interview with Obama on this past Sunday's "Meet The Press" where he talks about why he doesn't believe in saluting the flag. Is this really a person who works for The Post?

Anne E. Kornblut: We just checked the database here, and I can't find a Dale Lindsborg. I'm going to make sure people here know about it. Can you send us the e-mail?



3) From PolitiFact:
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2008/oct/25/chain-email/the-coke-theme-song-and-more-ridiculous-allegation/
"It would be difficult to tally the many, many ways this e-mail is false, but we'll start with the obvious ones. First, Obama was not on Meet the Press on Sept. 7. The guests were Joe Biden and New York Times columnist Thomas Friedman. Nor was Gen. Bill Ginn on the show.
"Ginn is indeed a retired Air Force general and not a fan of Obama. In an interview with PolitiFact, Ginn cited Obama's association with Weather Underground co-founder William Ayers, the group ACORN and his former pastor, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, as just a few examples why he does not want Obama to be president.
"But Ginn said the Meet the Press account was fabricated and that he had never spoken to Obama. Ginn said his name might have gotten attached to the e-mail because of a message he sent to a friend expressing concern about Obama not putting his hand over his heart during the national anthem.
"Neither is Dale Lindsborg a reporter at the Washington Post . Anne Kornblut, a real political reporter from the Post , said in an online chat that she checked the paper's directory and couldn't find anyone by that name.
"And, Obama's quote is fabricated. It seems to be a mashup from at least two sources. The anthem part comes from  a satirical column published on the Web in October 2007 by Arizona writer John Semmens that produced the original bogus e-mail that we checked last spring.
"We couldn't determine the origin of the part about redesigning the American flag 'to better offer our enemies hope and love,' but a search of the Project Vote Smart database of Obama's speeches indicates he has not uttered the phrase. He also has not made the remark about his wife disrespecting the flag, according to the Vote Smart database.
"This chain e-mail, like most that we've checked, is false. In fact, it's so ridiculously, maliciously false, that it sets the Truth-O-Meter ablaze...."




4) From Snopes:
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/stance.asp

National Anthem Stance

Claim: E-mail reproduces Barack Obama's statement about the U.S. national anthem.

Status:   False.
<
<
Variations: Later versions of this item report Senator Obama's purported comment as something taken from a transcript of the 7 September 2008 broadcast of Meet the Press.

Origins:
<
<
The following (also fabricated) statement about flag burning purportedly made by Senator Obama was appended to later versions of the e-mail:
<
<
Last updated: 22 October 2008

Urban Legends Reference Pages © 1995-2010 by Barbara and David P. Mikkelson.
This material may not be reproduced without permission.
snopes and the snopes.com logo are registered service marks of snopes.com.

Sources:
Semmens, John. "Semi-News — A Satirical Look at Recent News."
  The Arizona Conservative. 27 October 2007.






5) WHAT SENATOR OBAMA DID SAY ON MEET THE PRESS IN MAY 2008:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24445166/ns/meet_the_press/
May 4, 2008

RUSSERT: ...if you're the nominee...

SEN. OBAMA: Right.

MR. RUSSERT: ...and they talk about the flag pin and about your wife Michelle's comment about being proud for the first time in her adult life as an American, and talk about Reverend Wright saying, "God da mn America," and talk about standing at the national anthem at the steak fry and not putting your hand over your heart, all those things, challenging your patriotism...

SEN. OBAMA: Mm-hmm.

MR. RUSSERT: ...many superdelegates, undecided ones, have said to me, "Is he tough enough?"

SEN. OBAMA: Mm-hmm.

MR. RUSSERT: "How is he going to respond? How is he going to defend or define his patriotism?"

SEN. OBAMA: Right.

MR. RUSSERT: What's the answer?

SEN. OBAMA: "Well, first of all, you know, I have never challenged other people's patriotism. I haven't challenged Hillary Clinton's or John McCain's, and I will not stand by and allow somebody else to challenge mine. The fact that I'm running for president right now is an indication of how much I love this country, because it has given everything to me. This country has been a great source of good. I've lived overseas and seen the difference between America and what it stands for and what other countries oftentimes stand for and where they fall short. I've, I've said before, my story's not possible in any other country on earth. You know, when I think about this country, I think about my grandfather fighting in World War II in Patton's army; I think about my grandmother staying home--staying back and, and working on a bomber assembly line while she was raising a kid in--as, as they're coming out of a depression. And, and so this country is the--it defines, for me, what's possible for not just me, but for so many people who see this as a beacon of good, including my father, who originally came here seeking an education in this country. So I love this country. It is what I have been fighting for, a--that America lives up to its values and its ideals. And that's what I think the people of Indiana and that's what the people of North Carolina are looking for right now. What, what--they love this country as well, but what they've believe is that the values that have built this country, the belief in--that hard work is rewarded, that you can raise a family and have health care, and buy a home and retire with dignity and respect, that those things feel like they're slipping away. And what this campaign's about, what I think this moment is about in America is whether or not we are going to fight for those ideals that make this country great, and, and if we miss that opportunity, then I think we will be doing a disservice to future generations. So I'm happy to have a debate, an argument with the Republican Party or any of my opponents about what this country means, what makes it great. And what makes it great, ultimately, is its people and how the American people are able to live out their American dream. And right now, all too often Washington is failing in helping them to live out that American dream, and I--that's what I think this election's going to be about in November."
....

"Now, what I do believe is that it is important for the American people to understand my story and how it connects to theirs. I think it's important for people to understand not only that I was raised by a single mom and, and my grandparents, and the values of hard work and decency and honesty that they've passed on to me, that those are values that are rooted in the heartland of America and small-town America. My, my wife, Michelle, you mentioned earlier, you know, when I think about her father, who worked as a shift worker for the city of Chicago, despite having MS, got up every single day and went to work, was able to raise a family and send his two kids to college and, and support a family of four on a single salary. I think about your father and the fact that, that your dad, Tim, looked nothing like Michelle's dad, but they lived that same American dream and, and they had those same core values. And those are the values of millions of people all across the country. And my job in this campaign is to communicate the fact that not only are those values at the core of what this country's about, not only are those values what make me patriotic, but those are the values that have to be fought for because that American dream is slipping away.

"Those same individuals who are like Michelle's dad, who are like my grandparents, who are like your dad, they can't make it now doing the same things that they used to do. No matter how hard they work, they're falling behind. No matter how hard they work, they're at risk of losing their home or losing their pension. That's what this campaign's about, and that's what we've been fighting for, and, and that's why, ultimately, I'm confident not only are we going to win this nomination, but I also believe that we're going to win this general election because that is what the American people understand. Unless we are able to create the kinds of opportunities for ordinary Americans that have been slipping away over the last seven years, with wages and incomes actually going down even during an economic expansion, then, you know, we're not going to pass on the kind of America to our children that we want to."


6) Meet the Press transcripts:

List of all 2008 transcripts & guests:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28452155/ns/meet_the_press/

Sept 7, 2008 transcript: Biden & Friedman
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26590488/ns/meet_the_press/

Dec. 7, 2008 transcript: Obama
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28097635/ns/meet_the_press/

Obama: July 27, 2008 transcript: Obama
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25872804/ns/meet_the_press/



(just reading the email's grammar & syntax tells a bunch)

Lotsa love!



******************************************************
From:
To:
Subject: Fw: Wasn't anybody listening???
Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2010 13:41:37 -0400

Well, I guess it is all true. The Washington Post is at least not radically left wing.
B E.


From:
Sent: Sunday, March 21, 2010 7:43 PM
To:
Subject: FW: Wasn't anybody listening???


-----Forwarded Message-----
From:

Read below, you will not belive it.


Subject: Wasn't anybody listening???



THIS IS ABSOLUTELY INCREDIBLE...............

The  following is a narrative taken from Sunday Morning's
televised "Meet The  Press'. The author is employed by none other than the Washington Post!!

From Sunday's 07 Sept. 2008 11:48:04 EST, Televised "Meet the Press" THE THEN Senator Obama was asked about his stance on the American Flag.

General Bill Ginn' USAF (ret.) asked Obama to explain WHY he doesn't follow protocol when the National Anthem is played.

The General also stated to Obama that according to the United States Code, Title 36, Chapter 10, Sec. 171...



During rendition of the national anthem, when the flag is  displayed, all present (except those in uniform) are expected to stand at attention facing the flag with the right hand over the heart. Or, at the very least, "Stand and  Face It".

Senator Obama replied:

"As I've said about the flag pin, I don't want to be  perceived as taking sides".  "There are a lot of people in the  world to whom the American flag is a symbol of oppression."

"The anthem itself conveys a war-like message. You know, the bombs bursting in air and all that sort of thing."

ARE YOU READY FOR THIS???

Obama said:  "The National Anthem should be 'swapped' for something less parochial and less bellicose. I like the song 'I'd Like To Teach the World To  Sing'. If that were our anthem, then, I might salute it. In my opinion, we should consider reinventing our National Anthem as well as 'redesign' our Flag to better offer our enemies hope and love. It's myintention, if elected, to disarm America to the level of  acceptance to our Middle East Brethren. If we, as a Nation of waring people, conduct ourselves as the nations of Islam where peace prevails - - - perhaps a state or period of mutual accord could exist between our governments ."

When I become President, I will seek a pact or
agreement to end hostilities between those who have been at war or in a state of enmity, and a freedom from disquieting oppressive thoughts. We as a Nation have placed upon the nations of Islam an unfair injustice which is WHY my Wife disrespects the Flag and she and I have attended several flag burning ceremonies in the past".

"Of course now, I have found myself about to become the  President of the United States and I have put my hatred aside. I will  use my power to bring CHANGE to this Nation, and offer the people a new path. My wife and I look forward to becoming our Country's First black Family. Indeed, CHANGE is about to overwhelm the United States of America "

WHAAAAAAAT the H_ _ _ is that!!!

Yes, you read it right.

I, for one, am speechless!!!

Dale Lindsborg,

Washington  Post


Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. Sign up now.

Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft’s powerful SPAM protection.



~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~